Homeless in Arizona

Here is a lot of interesting stuff on Barry Hess, the Arizona Libertarian Part, Marc Victor, Ernie Hancock, Nick Coons, David Dorn and Safer Arizona. I suspect Tom Dean, Marc Victor, and all the folks at Safer Arizona will fall into this - Sergeant David Stephen Wisniewski, Michelle Mushee Westenfield, Robert W Clark (Tucson), Zachary Ocker, Rain Baker, Marijuana criminal defense attorney Tom Dean, Alex Gentry, Stacey Theis aka Stacy Shepherd, Greg Fox aka Arizona Gregory, Eric Johnson, Patricia Pantel, Manuel Chavez III, Thomas Meadows, Deb Stairs, Travis Varacka Vandenbrul, Mikel Weisser and Catalina S Vargas

Maybe we can finally get the Arizona Libertarian Party to admit the lies they have been spreading around about me.

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Barry Hess Your view of libertarians running for office is a very limited one; and by the way; I have never pushed for anything other than eliminating (*not reducing) all personal income and property taxes, and I'm always working behind the scenes to bring that actual change into reality--not just educating. By the way, how much have YOU contributed to this education campaign; or would you insist I do it for you, for free? Thanks for the flattery, if you went to this extreme to deride people who actually do things, not just talk and poke at people not doing things 'your' way, I'm flattered to be the most important person in the world, to you.

Barry Hess Just for the record, "Mickey" (*aka 'Mike Ross', and other names); I have always stood for the complete de-criminalizing of all drugs; and for the 100% responsibility for what people do under their influence (*if anything)--i.e., also eliminating the "diminished capacity" defense. Why do you always try to disparage libertarians who are actually working to bring about positive change, in accord with the NAP? the cause for individual liberty; why is that? You know, that's why so many libertarians view you with a skeptical eye and seem to think you are just a R-D provocateur. Why not work 'with' those who are working for what you 'say' you want?

Barry Hess 🤣🤣🤣 I knew that sooner or later you'd expose your love of David Dorn, but what strikes me is your doing exactly what you accuse David of doing (*lying); except you're 'trying' to do it to me.... Incidentally, I had no idea you ever even did anything; but why are you not listed as having been an actual candidate? Putting up a web page doesn't make you a candidate... Ah well, I'm done here; you just keep lying about my positions... Are you secretly in love with me?

Barry Hess My last comment: There is no Dorn issue; nobody cares about your psychosis. Keep ranting; nobody's listening...

Mickey Jones Here are a few URLs on that. I have been complaining about the David Dorn, Marc Victor, Ernest Hancock, Mike Shipley, Mike Kielsky problem for the last 20 years. 7 8 9 10 11 If you spread lies around that destroy a person life you are NOT a Libertarian.

Barry Hess @ Mike. Seriously; what is your goal? Is it to end taxation (*as is mine), or just to try to hurt people who are actually trying to make that a reality? You act more like a mindless provocateur than anyone honestly wanting to eliminate taxes.

Barry Hess I think you are not a libertarian; I think you're just an insecure guy who wants some attention; so, we're good. You clearly do have a problem with me because you've misrepresented my positions at least 3 times on this thread. Frankly, I couldn't care any less whether you think I fit your warped anarchist ideals; my concern is only that the voters know they have a good choice.

Barry Hess I think you are not a libertarian; I think you're just an insecure guy who wants some attention; so, we're good. You clearly do have a problem with me because you've misrepresented my positions at least 3 times on this thread. Frankly, I couldn't care any less whether you think I fit your warped anarchist ideals; my concern is only that the voters know they have a good choice.

Barry Hess @ Mike. This really is my last post on this thread, but I would point out that while I can almost accept how you were confused about what I was doing as far as Clean elections goes; not everybody was in on it. But why you would even suggest that I even hinted anything about Clean Elections (*except to deride those who did take it) since that time in 2000. That was 20 years ago, and nothing else to confuse you on this since that time--but you ridiculously state that I flip-flopped on it is not a factual statement. That's why you sound like an idiot when you say such made up stuff.

Barry Hess Alright, I'm done with this, Mike. You keep repeating the same BS, and that's just pointless. You cannot find even a single instance where I have said, or indicated that I think taxes are "OK", because I haven't. I told you I see a corporate 'tax' as a fee for services rendered (*legal protection from the State), but you want to cling to your delusions, and not even answer my simple question; in your mind, are 'fees' for services, theft? I've said all I'm going to say. Go ahead and do your creepy thing...

Barry Hess 20 years ago...geeze; and you are forgetting what I actually did (*I made it clear that I would not take them)--so piss off Mike; you've got some serious derangement issues.; so ta hell with this silliness. You flap on endlessly about something you didn't understand at the time; you've got that information now, yet you cling to it like it holds true to this day. Yer a fake libertarian who just wants to try to hold ancient history against someone who has never advocated for taxes on the individual; and never taken Clean Elections money; so what else ya got to try to harm an effort to give us all a little more freedom? Should I point to YOUR past? Do you really want me to bring up all the anti-libertarian things you have done? Would that be 'fair'?

Barry Hess @ Mike. Seriously; what is your goal? Is it to end taxation (*as is mine), or just to try to hurt people who are actually trying to make that a reality? You act more like a mindless provocateur than anyone honestly wanting to eliminate taxes.

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Barry Hess these are outright lies. Where is the documentation you promised me on it?

>You seem to always work against
>the cause for individual liberty;

>that's why so many libertarians
>view you with a skeptical eye
>and seem to think you are just a
>R-D provocateur. [That sounds like
>an Ernie Hancock statement] [Make
>up your mind Barry Hess, am I a
>Republican provocateur or a
>Democrat provocateur. You guys
>have been slandering me for 20 years
>you should have figured out that by now]

No make that a TOM DEAN statement.
Or perhaps Mike Shipley statement.
I think Tom Dean said that in one of his posts.

>I think you are not a libertarian;

>You act more like a mindless
>provocateur than anyone honestly
>wanting to eliminate taxes.

>Why are you so afraid to speak
>against Republican-Democrats
>who constantly violate all principles?

>Why are you so afraid to go after
>R-Ds? Are they paying you?

>Just to be clear, Mike; there's not
>a single issue I have ever 'flip-flopped'
>on; not even one... What is on my website
>was written almost entirely, 20 years
>ago...and I haven't changed my positions
>at all. [again as I said you want to reduce
>taxes, not eliminate them]

>You violate the NAP every time
>you make your BS assertions.

>The first year it was offered,
>I DID qualify, and was hoping
>to make a big deal out of
>burning a $3 Million dollar check.

You said you would dig up some dirt on me and post it.

Please do that. I waiting.

Barry Hess, If you are going to slander me and call me names please back it up with some evidence.

I have made tens of thousands of posts of the last 20 or more years on listservers. And I probably have made at least 4,000 or 5,000 post on Facebook in the last 4 or 5 years.

If I am the most evil person on the face of the earth as the Arizona Libertarian Party seems to say and I single handedly am capable of causing the collapse of Western Civilization as we known it you, Mike Shipley, Ernie Hancock, Libertarian lawyer Marc Victor, David Dorn and Michael Kielsky be able to post hundreds of examples.

I suspect the Arizona Libertarian Party has also been spreading lies I'm a government snitch for the past 20 years and turned thousands of people into to police. something that has destroyed my life.

If that's true please post some names, dates and times.

I couldn't find the post where you promised to dig up dirt on me an post it. I don't know if you deleted it, or if I just read past it. It doesn't matter, every thing you post on Facebook stays around for every. It's not physically deleted. It's just marked as deleted.

And remember no hearsay evidence. None of this nonsense of saying your long lost buddy Fred said in 1962 that Mickey did this and that. Give me URLs with links to the post, dates and times.

Nothing I have posted over the last 20 years or so contradicts the Libertarian Party Platform at:

www.lp.org/platform/

My whole view of the Libertarian Party revolves around the NIFF and NAP concepts. You know NIFF, Non-Initiation of Force or Fraud and NAP, Non-Aggression Principle.

And of course the Libertarian platform is based on the concepts of NIFF or NAP which are for all practical purpose the same.

Those are the same NIFF and NAP concepts which I am accusing you of violating Barry. You know, like taxes. Taxes initiate force against people and are a violation of NIFF and NAP.

And by the way ask Marc Victor when his law firm is going to pay me back that $3,000 he owes me.

Marc Victor's law firm won $10,000 in a lawsuit and which his law firm agreed to charge me 20% for.

Twenty percent of $10,000 is $2,000.

Marc Victor's law firm kept $5,000, which is 50%, not 20%.

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Sounds like the Arizona Libertarian Party is spreading lies that I am a Democrat or Republican provocateur?

That sounds like something Ernie Hancock or Ernest Hancock would make up? No!!! That sounds like a statement marijuana criminal defense attorney Tom Dean would make up. Or was that Mike Shipley?

>Barry Hess Just for the record,
>"Mickey" (*aka 'Mike Ross', and
>other names); I have always stood
>for the complete de-criminalizing
>of all drugs; and for the 100%
>responsibility for what people
>do under their influence (*if
>anything)--i.e., also eliminating
>the "diminished capacity" defense.
>
>Why do you always try to disparage
>libertarians who are actually
>working to bring about positive
>change, in accord with the NAP?
>You seem to always work against
>the cause for individual liberty;
>why is that? You know, that's why
>so many libertarians view you with
>a skeptical eye and seem to think
>you are just a R-D provocateur.
>Why not work 'with' those who
>are working for what you 'say' you want?

Interesting Barry Hess is calling me a

R-D provocateur

Republican Provocateur

or maybe a

Democrat Provocateur

Or maybe Tom Dean accused me of being an paid agent of the Koch Brother sent to destroy the legalization of marijuana movement.

Initially I suspect that it was Tom Dean using a different name. Now I suspect it may be Mike Shipley.

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Looks like I found the statement where Barry Hess threatens to expose me as a horrible person who has done anti-libertarian things. Barry Hess also calls me a fake libertarian.

>Barry Hess 20 years ago...geeze; and
>you are forgetting what I actually did
>(*I made it clear that I would not take
>them)--so piss off Mike; you've got
>some serious derangement issues.; so
>ta hell with this silliness. You
>flap on endlessly about something
>you didn't understand at the time;
>you've got that information now,
>yet you cling to it like it holds
>true to this day. Yer a fake
libertarian who just wants to try
>to hold ancient history against
>someone who has never advocated
>for taxes on the individual; and
>never taken Clean Elections money;
>so what else ya got to try to harm
>an effort to give us all a little
>more freedom? Should I point to
>YOUR past? Do you really want me
>to bring up all the anti-libertarian
>things you have done? Would that be 'fair'?

Here is where Barry Hess calls me a fake Libertarian

>Yer a fake libertarian who just wants to try

Well Barry Hess, please point out all the fake Libertarian stuff I have posted for the last 20 years.

And here Barry Hess threatens to expose me.

>Do you really want me
>to bring up all the anti-libertarian
>things you have done? Would that be 'fair'?

Again Barry Hess, I would LOVE for you to start telling me all the evil things you, Ernie Hancock (Ernest Hancock), Marc Victor, Nick Coons, Mike Shipley, Michael Kielsky, David Dorn and the Arizona Libertarian are saying about me.